Political stunt in Korea game angers Japan

Protest lodged with soccer body over huge banner in crowd

Kyodo

Japan has lodged a protest with the East Asian Football Federation demanding an investigation into a politically charged banner that was displayed at the East Asian Cup finale against South Korea on Sunday.

During the match in Seoul, which Japan won 2-1 with an injury-time goal, South Korean supporters raised a long horizontal banner referring to Japan’s 1910-45 colonial rule over the Korean Peninsula that read: “There is no future for a race oblivious to history.”

The banner, which stretched across a wide section of the stands and was written in Hangul, was displayed for about an hour from kickoff.

“I was hoping something like this would not occur this time, so it’s unfortunate,” Japan Football Association chief Kuniya Daini said Monday. “We ask the East Asian federation to thoroughly investigate the matter and act in the appropriate fashion.”

Daini said that he asked the organizer during halftime to have the banner taken away.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters the government “will respond appropriately based on FIFA rules when the facts are revealed.”

Meanwhile, during the match, Japanese supporters briefly waved a Japanese rising sun flag, a symbol of Japan’s militaristic past, but put it away after organizers asked them to do so, according to several Japanese fans and South Korean media.

The Korea Football Association told Yonhap News Agency on Monday that the organization has no plans to take action over the issue.

FIFA prohibits political statements of any kind during games. Soccer’s world governing body punished South Korea earlier this year for a similar event at last summer’s London Olympics when Park Jong-woo raised a sign saying, “Dokdo is our territory” after the bronze-medal match. Dokdo refers to a pair of rocky South Korea-controlled islets in the Sea of Japan that Japan claims as Takeshima. The sign was apparently not his.

FIFA, jointly with the International Olympic Committee, banned Park for two games and withheld his bronze medal until February.

It remains to be seen how thorough the EAFF probe will be. The federation is headed by a South Korean, Chung Mong-gyu.

South Korean fans also tried to bring a similar banner into the finale of the East Asian Cup’s women’s competition on Saturday night, but were stopped by the Korea Football Association, South Korea’s soccer authority, according to South Korean media.

  • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

    “There is no future for a race oblivious to history”, is which Hangul meant to be, didn’t know that, though I’m thinking and writing the same thing usually, and frequently, even nobody listens.
    Hopefully, better do this in Japanese from next time so that any of us can understand, almost of us couldn’t do it at this time till news tells so.
    There’s no future for us unless we’re going to have an imagination with what neighboring people’re feeling, of when our politicians go to Yasukuni, or some stupid mayor says some stupid thing, or Zaitokukai rants kill Korean, or many else, only after we’ve improved our education system of history.
    I think how about we’re going to invite a history teacher at least one person per school, from China or South Korea, as long as we couldn’t have ever taught students or children what happened as it is by ourselves, also inviting teachers could be some help to mend the relationships with neighbors.

    • Kettle Roast

      Aloha Nancy, the term “Portugee” is a reference to someone who is an outsider saying ignorant things in order to stir up trouble. They tend to be uneducated, so they makeup believable statements and so offends others. Most everyone who has read the history behind the Annexation will tell the story as one of betrayal and having given up on the world. The Korean nation was under massive pressure from the Western Powers and Japan to modernize with them in full control, but they wanted to carve up Korea, much as they did to China under the Ch’ing rulers. They wanted to use Koreas Harbors to sell dope and whiskey to the Asiatics for their Silver and gold. This was a simple prescription for Westerners since they viewed them as ignorant “hethens” unable to lead or organize any opposition to them. Most of the human slave trade started with the Western businessmen from Europe. Rome, slavery, trade, collection of gold, all to be replacements for the Chosun people because they didn’t have guns or steel plants to produce ships and cars.
      Now all has changed, and looking back on history it was the use of these that was used to control an Agrarian Korea, until they industrialized and caught up with foreign dominators. Japan in much the same way had to deal with the West, but they did it on their terms, not foreign powers. The West always wanted free ports from which their goods could offload, payment for the Japanese for allowing Westerners to use these ports, but also Tax free zones to be given for Western Developement and their own exclusive zones all at the expense of Japan. Yokohama and Nagasaki are examples of ports established for this trade. The West never gave a dime for the land but in turn used it for monetary gains back home. Then there was the extortion of poor women for prostitution and adult nightlife. Westerners learned of the Japanese culture for these entertainment places and cultivated as they did back in Europe and the US. Pro and cons with trade, but the underlying hate that exists is because of Government people that know of this and trick the common people into believing that its not their fault, we were taught to do this by the West and its profitable. So my story is its’ not the people that are bad but certain people in government that should be replaced that are the root of these lingering problems. They should be out of office but because of special favorites done for Corporate persons they get a free ride. Money is the root of this problem and the corruption that it causes when left unchecked, uncontrolled by everyday people.

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        Thank you for telling me the meaning of Portugee, I see.
        I have a certain measure to verify someone claiming Japanese to be correct or not, once I talk with him or her in my own language for a while, even not orally, it’ll be certified, because managing Japanese normally, or properly is very hard for every foreigner.
        Also real long term resident Korean and Chinese people, who’re native Japanese speaker as well, are never going to forge own identity, since they are very proud of their nationalities, then my measure is supposed to work most of the time, but rare exceptions like academic professionals.
        Also thank you for giving me your lecture, I think it’s pretty difficult for me.
        Maybe it’s because of my reading ability of English being very poor.
        Sometimes I think, the way of thinking which English native people do, is fundamentally different from myself, especially their construction of sentence is quite not the same.
        I found it through exchanges of mainly Chinese or Taiwanese people, their English is very easy for me to understand than ones of English native people.
        Anyway the problem is my skill, not you.

  • Peter Lööf

    The Koreans are obviously still pissed off and rightfully feel that Japan hasn’t done enough to make up for what they’ve done.

    • DA

      But is a sporting event the right venue to express such feelings? I thought sports were supposed to bring nations closer together.

      • Hitokiri 1989

        Football is essentially tribal. When you have two nations with an antagonistic history, this sort of thing is bound to happen.

    • Masa Chekov

      “Rightfully” feel? Sheesh.

    • disqus_pkrRDJU42M

      Japan has already done enough. The problem is that there is always some idiot in the Japanese government that says or does something stupid to upset Korea and China that reopens old wounds. Either way, a football ground isn’t the place to complain.

  • Anders Wrist

    A crude and distasteful act, with racial undertones not altogether uncommon in Korea. Nothing good will come from these kind of provocations.

    • wrle

      and you are implying it is less common in japan? There are anti korean protests in koreantown okubo literally every single weekend with people holding up signs say “kill koreans” and “holo caust koreans”. Do people in korea do this?

      • Anders Wrist

        I implied no such thing. The Japanese people waving the Rising Sun flag as a response to that banner, was more or less of the same kind of stunt – they should not be bringing something like that flag to a sporting event.

      • wrle

        It was actually the other way around according to yonhap news. regardless, I think both countries do need to have some serious restrictions on these kinds of stunts.

      • 우시군

        There’s extreme ends on both sides, so I’m sure there are people protesting about Japanese people and culture in Korea as well. But, yeah, as a Korean myself, I think it’s stupid and embarrassing thing to bring politics to a sporting event which is meant to be about peace and fair competition.

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        Hi, I guess you’re Korean, nice to meet you.
        I’m very uncomfortable with the 旭日旗, as a Japanese, I don’t want to see the flag at any of places wherever Japanese concern.
        Wagging 旭日旗 means we’re not reflecting the responsibility of the past, or we don’t feel these of incidents wrong, which Japan already admitted and acknowledged of.
        So I don’t admit the flag as long as it doesn’t make sense, also it does hurt and despise the neighbors.
        I even agree with revising or improving Hinomaru, maybe into more pretty one, or lovely one, red circle and white background Hinomaru is not necessary or worth to keep up or hang on to, if only we’re going to look to be prepared enough to make a good relationship with neighbors, it doesn’t have to depict a Hinomaru.
        As for Zaitokukai, the racist group, which is also what I’m really ashamed of, there’re many of counter activities appeared from early this year, and increasing, recently, several members of Zaitokukai including a leader have been arrested for assault(but released 4 days later), beside there’re few convictions already made for prior accusations on the court, hopefully this awful group’s going to get dismissed as soon as possible.
        They’re none other than our cancer.
        It’s quite deplorable to hear how long term resident Korean people have just been hanging on, bearing with these of threats, just complaining nothing.
        Wish more criticisms to come from abroad, since I think we should get preached more, until we figure ourselves out to be the poor people having few sense of human rights.

      • richard denauldo

        we have been using 旭日旗 long before ww2, it has no imperial meaning.

      • wrle

        thats rubbish. the rising sun flag is used by japanese right wingers because they know its offensive to koreans. are you not even ashamed?

      • Kettle Roast

        Typical Portugee, does not know anything about the militarism of Japan during World War II and the Flag that symbolized that period of Japanese agression. If I were to hurl the Union Jack in Argentina, it would be symbolized as outright disrespect for their claims over the Falklands. To bring the flag during a soccer match would be seen as insensitive to the Argentian peoples’ views on those islands.

      • richard denauldo

        koreans burn and chew japanese flags and pictures of japanese politicians all the time as well as crashing trucks into the japanese embassy. sorry the revolution will not be televised.

      • wrle

        not on a weekly basis like the okubo protests in tokyo. There is a kind of social sickness in japan that deflects hatred towards korea, and until it stops korean people will not sit back.

      • Steve

        This is not an issue of tit for tat- it doesnt matter if its weekly or bi weekly. its not a point system.
        Both countries and all individuals (In Korea and Japan) have to take responsibility for their OWN actions and not be reactive or blame other people when/if they do something crazy.
        Like “Holocaust Koreans” what an absolute joke.

  • IanPG

    Aren’t Japanese and Koreans actually the same race? The Korean banner used the word race as an incorrect analogue for ethnicity/nationality.

    • Graham Bae

      That’s more a matter of the translation being a bit incorrect. The word 민족 is closer to ‘ethnicity’ than ‘race’.

  • King Rat

    Or could it be a message referring to young Koreans obsessed with western pop culture and Japanese comic books who don’t remember who they are?

  • An Sha

    Why do Koreans always assume that their version of history is always totally correct? Do they ever consider that the Korean government might have used a slanted view of Japan to deflect criticism of the government?

    • boo

      Japanese textbooks and classrooms regularly omit anything relating to the wartime period after the Meiji Restoration up to the surrender to MacArthur and the Allied forces. It’s not even about “slant” – it’s about censorship of an entire war.

      • An Sha

        Just because you heard that somewhere doesn’t make it true. Have you ever actually looked at the Japanese textbooks? I have. They have plenty of information about the war, not to mention it’s constantly talked about on TV documentaries and class field trips.

      • wrle

        heard that somewhere? This is exactly why japan is criticized by the international community. The fact is, Japanese politicians have a problem with the truth and erasing parts of their history will not make it go away but do the exact opposite.

      • boo

        I heard that when I TAUGHT IN A JAPANESE PUBLIC SCHOOL.

      • 武 東郷

        Do you really want to know what kind of history textbooks are used in schools in China, Korea, U.S. and Japan? Stanford University professors conducted a comparative study of history textbooks used in those countries. Go to http://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/a00703
        This will tell you which country is most nationalistic and which country is poisoning the minds of youth by indocrinating them.

  • Ron NJ

    It’s not as if the statement on the banner is factually incorrect.

  • Hitokiri 1989

    Lol its football. A couple of banners and everyone here is overreacting. This is actually pretty tame compared to other footballing rivalries, such as Serbia-Croatia, Russia-Poland or even USA-Mexico.

    • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

      Hi, I’m going to give you an advice as a senior Japanese, be grateful to listen.
      Better not use “人斬り” to be your HN, which is never appropriate with what a decent Japanese claims.
      I’m doing this because I guess if you’re not so capable of understanding how each of Japanese phrases actually sounds, or means, just in case.
      HN人斬り is never smart, never decent, never appropriate with a decent Japanese.
      But I don’t care it at all if you’re not a decent Japanese, just forget it if you’re not.

  • Guest

    I can’t understand why Korean fans showed a banner during the game.
    First of all, hanging any political banner is prohibited.
    I wonder if stadium staffs had a question what that stuff was used for because it was so big.

  • Shojun

    I say this is justice. Koreans are pissed at the Japanese for what they have done during the past and now the Japanese are acting as if nothing had happened. Same feelings come from China, Russia, and the whole Southeast Asia.

    “There is no future for a race oblivious to history.” Cannot be less correct.

    • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

      Hi, I’m a Japanese citizen, nice to meet you.
      Pardon me if my guess was wrong, if you’re Korean, it’ll be glad if you’re going to tell me about the word 민족 , since I’m not capable of Hunguel.
      I assume the meaning might be near 民族, the word 民族 is very difficult to replace into English.
      Wish you’re going to tell me if I’m near correct, or not.
      I feel no injustice when Chinese or Korean People are getting angry with us, since I know the causes are always our side, they’ll be uncomfortable only after we did something wrong, insensitive, or rude, it’s very ashamed of.
      I’m ashamed of how our education of history would be, and human rights as well.
      By the way, my favorite Korean foot ball player is 李 根鎬, he made a remarkalble effort in GAMBA Osaka in 2011, he’s really talented, an amazing FW player, having much guts, very impressed was I.

      • Steve

        Hi Nancy,

        Im a Korean American.
        “Minjok” means an ethnic group of people and its separate from nationality.
        I think Koreans have genuine and well grounded feelings of hurt with the Japanese government (Some Koreans generalize and say Japanese people, and this is so wrong) but saying it in a football match is really inappropriate and the wrong platform to be expressing such views.
        It emotionally charges the already sensitive issue and further fuels the misunderstandings that continue to stop us from making progress.

        Steve

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        Thank you for telling me the meaning, you’re so kind.
        The pronunciation of 민족 is “Minjok”, that’s very familiar to me,’cause 民族 is pronounced as “minzoku” in Japanese, very similar, it’s natural since Korean and Japanese are most close in the first place.
        I presume that 민족 is same with 民族, also which makes sense with what they wanted to say to us.
        Our government is obviously deserved to be accused by Korean people, also some of politicians, and civilians are the same.
        But I think any of us can’t avoid from being criticized, there’s no available excuse to say “Let me be your exception since I’m not doing wrong”, we’re responsible of choosing our representations, responsible of letting hate speeches just be as it is, letting the people who bring in 旭日旗 in a national sport game just be as they are.
        It makes sense we have to face up to that severe message from Korean people this time, in consequence of our own insensitivity, or rudeness, and lack of sincerity, and love.
        This time incident is our own coming.
        We shouldn’t bring in and wag out 旭日旗 in any of national sport games, no matter we actually like it or not, just for the sake of love for neighbors.
        We would take care of someone if they’re hurt or not, uncomfortable or not, while we love the one.
        That’s why we don’t need the 旭日 flag as long as we’re going to love neighbors, more than they do, I think we have to forget the flag if we’re trying not to hurt the neighbors we love, or whom we tend to make love us.

      • richard denauldo

        you do know the korean king petitioned japan for annexation because china and russia would not recognize them as a sovereign state, right?

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        Thank you for responding me.
        Well, you’re half Japanese, and what is your nationality?
        I’ve been putting my nationality on my profile since ever, let you make it even and fair if you want to talk to me.
        Also I don’t agree with you claiming “we”, you have no right to say “we have been using” about what Japanese does or did if your nationality is no Japan, I’m not going to accept you to be one of us.
        Being Japanese is none other than always holding a heavy burden our forefathers created, have you ever thought about how would it feel?
        Can you imagine how many times I’ve ever been ignored by Koreans?
        And how do you think of its why?
        Are you prepared to hold the burden with me as a Japanese?
        Being Japanese is never a thing to make us perky.
        Something to add, your “Japanese knowledge” some, is tatally superficial, better not open these shallow hearsay things on the internet, if only you don’t like to disgrace yourself.
        Read a book and know how the flag had been used in these days, and how Chinese and Korean people feel about it, if you’re capable of reading a book written in decent Japanese, though it seems not.
        I think you’d better shut your mouth around this kind of issue, if you’re not a Japanese.
        But, I’m going to tell you about certain books you have to read, if you’re one of us.

      • Kettle Roast

        Nancy, Richards a Portugee, go ask a real Hawaiian what Portugee means and then a Japanese american and they will both laugh and roll their heads, hope this makes sense.

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        Thank you for giving me the information, I think I’m not so sure what you’ve meant for, I assume, maybe you’re saying Richard is a Hawaiian American having a Portuguese American parent, and a Japanese parent.
        Really complicated family story for an ordinary Japanese like me, though I’m not sure of my guess to be right or wrong.
        Of course it’s not judging anything how his family story would be, or whether my kind of saying “ordinary” is appropriate or not, just a fact that “I” am very insular that’s all.
        Even I’m not getting informed what I asked him yet, it is sure if he’s not a Japanese, as who’s not prepared to take a burden on his shoulders with me, and other Japanese, it’s not appropriate with him to open his box and telling a hearsay bit of ●raps just like he knows it well, though he seems to be not capable of reading a decent Japanese book.
        Which behavior is nothing but annoying me, and other Japanese who’re trying to get along with neighbors.
        I don’t agree with someone saying “we” including me, when he or she talks about what a nation Japan or Japanese does or did, if the one is not capable of managing our own language enough, managing Japanese well is one of necessary conditions of being Japanese.

      • Steve

        Hi Richard,
        Whats the relationship between that fact you mentioned (assuming its true, it sounds more like an interpretation than a fact) and what the Koreans are upset about?

        Are you implying that the Koreans deserved what happened to them?

        It sounds like you wanted to sound knowledgeable more than to prove an actual point…

      • Kettle Roast

        Not true at all, the King of Korea forbid the Annexation of Korea in 1901.
        Four traitors signed the Eulsa Treaty with priority given to those four through land entitlements, Japanese (Fake) Titles, and the main culprit becoming a Duke within the Japanese Imperial Family. His name is well know to the Korean people, and his explanation is rather sad. For he told it this way, ” I wanted to save the people from a worthless war.” Yep, he was a pacifist. He is known as the Benedict Arnold or Judas Iscariot of that era. He was none other than Yi wang young. He sold his people into poverty and slavery for the next 45 years. In other circles, he was given the Imperial Japanese Medal of the Chrysantheum. William Wallace would of bashed his head with a mallot had he lived in Scotland during his time. Betrayal for the Devil’s Deed. Kind of makes one wonder about why that penninsula is still divided to this day. The other three family names on that treaty had the following names, Park , Kwon, and Lee. Their full names were erased to protect their future kids from beatings but the names are locked in a vault in the National Museum dedicated to Psy. Kangnam Style.

      • Shojun

        I am sorry if I sounded too aggressive and one-sided on my comment, Nancy. すみません。僕はちょっとおこりました。However, since you ask, the words, “민족” (Min-Jyok) is 民族, which means ‘citizen’. It is equivalent to the Japanese word, みんぞく” (You would know what it means).

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        Thank you for replying me, it’s my very first time to get a comment from Korean people actually living in there, quite memorial.
        You’re so kind to spell Japanese for me, I appreciate.
        You’re polite as a Korean man is always supposed to be, or as I always imagined.
        Your anger is not going to bother me and my friends, I know why they put the banner, our government and some politicians and some of Japanese right wingers and Japanese Netouyo boys made them do it, nailed them down to the place with no choice but to do that, to make us reflect on ourselves.
        You don’t have to mind it , or what you wrote here, as long as any of us do deserve it.
        I know how 朴鍾佑 was sincere to make up to coach 池田誠剛 last year August, they said he politely apologized the coach in a hotel in Seoul, which incident was reported in here as well.
        He’s also a decent Korean gentle man as you are.
        I hope 朴鍾佑 to come and play in Japan to be a member of a certain team in time, more better if he’s going to be a bridge to connect South Korea and Japan.
        I think it tells how we are close, to think about the pronunciation of 민족, and 民族, Min-Jyok and Minzoku, less difference could be found.
        It’s very ashamed to imagine how you people are annoyed and hurt by what happening in current Japan, or on the internet, even arrogant ignorant Japanese Netouyo boys frequently seen in here, sorry to bother and embarrass Korean people, I never admit what Japanese Netouyo boys are doing, so as Zaitokukai, and Hashimoto, or many else.
        I wish Japan is going to be a good neighbor of South Korea, by becoming honest and polite by ourselves, and people of South Korea love us more, as we love the people.
        There’s no way and no good if Korean and Japanese were not get along with each other, let us get close more with each other.

  • Steven R. Simon

    Simon says that South Korea and Japan are allies of necessity due to the geo-politics of Northeast Asia so these infintile stunts have got to stop.

  • Fastvue

    Hey Korean fans rock !

  • Lephtis

    First of all, we fans are prohibited from hanging a banner during games. I can’t understand why these Korean guys needed to show the stuff at that moment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/haberstr John Haberstroh

    There will always be self-important fools in Japan making ahistorical and racist comments, and is it any different anywhere? But the banner is itself racist. There is no future for those who generalize about entire populations of other countries.

  • Dennis Kawaharada

    “There is no future for a race oblivious to history.” I guess everyone is doomed–the Koreans along with the Japanese, Chinese, Americans, and Russians. Oh, well….

    • Lucifer

      Good thing the Aussies are safe. We’ll just chill by ourselves.

  • wrle

    this was certainly overboard for korean fans.. but japan also has a fair share of radical stunts like the constant use of their rising sun flag only when there is a match with a korean team. Both countries just need to stop otherwise its probably best for everyone to watch at home.

  • Stack Jones

    It’s ironic that a racist, and hateful nation like Japan, with its leaders constantly committing atrocious attacks on its neighbors like posing in airplanes with 731 on its side, calling for the extermination of all Koreans, etc. on and on, is so pathetically weak that it can’t take a little bit of well-earned smash mouth itself.

    And these whiners want to become a warmongering nation hell bent on taking on China, Russia, and Korea?

    Wow!

  • Edwin Johnson

    hey, its a stunt so stunt them back don’t take it to heart

  • Sean

    Waiving the rising sun flag isnt a political statement. Koreans are the only people in the world that take offense to this flag, they’re oversensitive if you ask me. Saying the rising sun flag is comparable to the German Nazi flag is laughable…acts like this from Korean fans are petty and pathetic. Im glad Japanese people are above this sort of action and do not stoop to the level of Koreans. I dont know about history, but Koreans need to move on, you do not see Japanese complaining with banners about USA bombing them, theyve moved on forgiven and forgotten, the Koreans should take a page from the Japanese book and do the same instead of radically protesting and spreading more and more hate which is not matched by the people of Japan. From an American.

    • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

      Hi Sean, I’m a Japanese citizen, nice to meet you.
      I think, I’m not so comfortable with you talking about “the rising sun flag=旭日旗”, while you’re saying “I dont know about history”.
      Also not comfortable with you saying “you do not see Japanese complaining with banners about USA bombing them, theyve moved on forgiven and forgotten” either, while you’re saying “I dont know about history”.
      There’s many things you don’t even know, quite complicated.
      Also the reason we don’t complain with banners about USA bombing, which is not meant to be we’re good people, or forgiving.
      There’s also a complicated circumstance of ourselves.
      Also it’s never appropreate to compare with what Korean people are doing, which is not for you to do so.
      I wish you’re not going to make me uncomfortable anymore, thank you.

      • ff

        Nancy,

        Hi I am an American. こんにちは!
        I want to ask your opinion on something as a Japanese, you may ask what this has to do with the topic at hand, but I will explain. Does the US keeping troops in Japan, and helping to protect them for outside aggression make the US bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima less bad? Also, what is your opinion on the 50k US troops in Japan?

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        Thank you for responding me, it’s always glad for me to get a comment from foreign people.
        I’m not so confident if I make any valuable answer for you, in my less ability of second language, I’m going to try.
        First and foremost, going to describe my kind of state, my own feeling toward USA is very complicated, it’s specifically written in my blog article of July 31,titled “Nothing but a country he was dreaming of”, which would be some help to explain my mind.
        As for US keeping their troops in Japan, in my understanding, which is following an order of the Treaty, kept by “Host Nation Support”, the subsidy paied from Japan, hard to take their presence as one voluntary or charity, or friendship.
        Also as you know, there were many of awful criminal incidents caused by US soldiers in Japan, and Osprey thing, I’m not sure if the Treaty now working is fair enough for what we’ve been bearing with.
        Also I know why Marines are deployed in Okinawa, they are there mainly for rescuing US citizens if something urgent happened near or in Japan.
        The relationship between two countries, started almost 160 years ago, actually there was another prologue before Perry, by some whaler vessels requiring fuel or water, but it was refused by then Tokugawa Bakufu’s Sakoku policy, then they had to send Perry with cannon, to therefore open their door.
        Many of incidents happened after Perry, as you know, the relationship nowadays, was coming up with very unhealthy one I think.
        Unhealthy would be most appropriate I assume.
        People in Japan, as far as I know of, trying not to think we’re nothing but a flattery of US, they call US to be a good friend to forget it, despising Asian neighbors instead of it.
        Admitting what we’ve been doing to be nothing but flattering, is none other than facing up to a solemn fact that we’re not independent yet, which is not acceptable with almost of Japanese, at least “formally”.
        It’s always related to the alliance, when Japan’s acting perky, despising Asian neighbors.
        Which is unhealthy.
        I’m not a necessarily anti-US person, not blaiming ordinary US people while they’re not going to justify the bombs, or criminal activities US soldiers made, or Osprey’s deployment in Japan.
        Since which can’t be justified.
        Also US President’s visiting Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which is what I want to see most in the near future, it took 65 years for waiting a US ambassador to attend the peace ceremony of Hiroshima, which made the name of Roos to be an honorable, unforgetable name in here.
        I do value Roos only because of it, no matter whatelse he have done or haven’t.
        I’m not requiring an apology of US President, it’s enough if he just appears, in the places where the bombs dropped, it’ll be appreciated.

      • ff

        Your English is very great! Tell me, if you where in a position of power, or you just could in general, what would you do to improve the situation between the US, Japan, and South Korea?

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        Appreciate you praising my English, getting an applause from English native people is truely my honor, but I know for sure that mine is far from saying enough, my biggest trouble always giving me a suffer is my few vocabulary, including idiomatic expressions.
        Unfortunately, I’m just an ordinary Japanese woman, no specific English education to get, born and raised in Japan, maybe it might have come from my unique grown up history if there’s litte difference between other Japanese individuals and me, I liked English since I was in my age of lower teenager, used to sing English songs all the time, which made my pronunciation near precise, English is not scary once got a correct pronunciation, but actually, pronouncing English near precise is quite difficult for every Japanese, since the two languages have characters far and far from each other.
        Then I’ve been learning it mostly from movies, dramas, songs, and recently even through the internet, especially posting a comment is very instructive, I’m doing it half for my practice, half for my anti-extremist act.
        But its grammar is not what I’m good at, in consequence of my style of learning, as “by ears” or “just imitate other’s texts well.”
        It’d be better if I get some qualification paper of English, someday in time.
        As for improving the relationships, so far I’ve mostly got lot of pesimistic views of how things are going on, as thinking of my co-nationals trait, US President’s visiting Hiroshima or Nagasaki would be most effective I assume.
        Japan is a country which has a tendency to get paranoic and much sensitive when we sensed a certain degree of threat from abroad, even it’s just a delusion, easily convinced that we’re nothing but innocent victims, just as our forefathers 80 years ago would be, to secede from League of Nations.
        Then when would we have a decent feeling that we have to be honest to any other countries, which might be at the time after someone foreign appeared his or her own honesty.
        Of course it’s not a trait to be proud of, we should be honest toward neighboring countries just by ourselves in the first place.
        We need to be honest to China and South Korea first, to ease the tension, also our tangled feeling toward USA as well.
        Flattering US and despising Asian neighbors, these attitudes are heads and tails, hopefully, it’s glad if it’s going to make it less worse.
        Little hope seen recently, is that Hayao Miyazaki a most famous animation creator in Japan, have addressed his absolute statement of opposing a trend of Constitution amendment, also admitting a full responsibility of the former aggression.
        I think which would be much available with Japanese citizens than one our politician made.
        A statement which a fovorite animator remarked, is much worth than a politician did, I think our country is something like that, though it’s odd enough.
        If there’s more to find, maybe exchanging of each foot ball player would be effective, I want them more to come here, that Park Jong Woo would be the best.
        Any of local supporters in Japan must cheer him once he joins any J-League team and devotes, that I’m sure.
        He might have been a very devoted person who dares to do that in the first place.
        I’m looking forward to him coming in here.

      • ff

        You may be interested in knowing that Japanese culture is very popular here in the USA. I think that President Obama should visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It would be very symbolic of how the relationship between Japan and USA has changed.

      • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

        It’s good to hear that Japanese culture, even it’s not a traditional one, is loved in USA, or in other foreign countries.
        Especially, creating animations or comics might be a very thing which matched to our trait I presume.
        I appreciate you addressing your view of US President’s visiting Hiroshima or Nagasaki, you’re the first US citizen I know who dares to do this.
        No US citizen has ever made a reaction to this issue, I was just ignored till now.
        Hope you’re not going to change your mind and when it comes true, in the future, we’re going to share the delight in each places with no matter how far we’re actually apart.

  • http://getironic.blogspot.com/ getironic

    There’s no future for countries who are so drunk on collectivism that they make the sins of the past into the guarantees of the future.

  • Sue Hiraki

    As to the comments about Japanese history textbook, please refer to the report of the Stanford University, “Divided Memories and Reconciliation” upon textbooks of USA, Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan, where Japanese textbook is evaluated as most fair and calm, offering no strong narrative about the war.

    //aparc.stanford.edu/publications/divided_memories_and_reconciliation_a_progress_report

  • Jay Wilson

    Again, this is South Kore trying to get Japan to fall to its knees and beg for forgiveness over Japan’s colonial administration of Korea. It has been said that South Korea wants a high-ranking official like the Prime Minister or Emperor to perform “dogeza”, even if they did do this, South Korea will not let Japan move on

    • http://ameblo.jp/cluttered-talk/ Michiko

      Hi,I’m a Japanese citizen, nice to meet you.
      For some of your knowledge, since you seem to be a Westerner, let me tell you something .
      Some of us, including our politicians, have been doing many things insensitive which enough to hurt Koreans, Chinese people as well, for current years, then they’ve got uncomfortable, angry, which makes sense.
      And Japanese Dogeza, which is none of your business, you’d better not refer to something you know less about, or interupt someone’s business, with a sensitive issue as Korean people and us, also a name of nation or ethnic should be spelt correctly, otherwise you look to be insulting specific people, so far it seems that there’s nothing you kind of people can cooperate but messing around, thank you.