Media attention has become a mixed blessing for Ryoma Suzuki. Unborde, the label he founded in 2010, is currently celebrating five years in the game and will hold a special show at Makuhari Messe on April 10.

He's thrilled to do magazine and radio interviews about this, but at every promotional event the conversation inevitably turns to Enon Kawatani, whose bands Indigo La End and Gesu no Kiwami Otome. are on Unborde, and whose affair with TV personality Becky has become 2016's biggest entertainment scandal in Japan — give or take a SMAP.

"The Gesu scandal has been crazy," Suzuki says about a minute into our meeting at the Unborde office in Tokyo's Aoyama neighborhood, punctuated with the sort of laugh born from dealing with a frustrating situation everyday. "I'm hoping this can be a learning experience for us. Look forward to me telling you what that is."